417 - Series 1 vs Series 2?

[mah]

Are they very different for guitar amp use?

[Old Guy]

There is not really a 417 series 1 and 2. it is only the 8H model that has two versions. The series 2 has an aluminum former, and the voice coil is slightly heavier. The difference is subtle, but the 2 has slightly less highs. The preferred 417 is the C model, both the H models had tweaks to make them handle more power.

[Audio_by_Goodwill]

There is not really a 417 series 1 and 2. it is only the 8H model that has two versions. The series 2 has an aluminum former, and the voice coil is slightly heavier. The difference is subtle, but the 2 has slightly less highs. The preferred 417 is the C model, both the H models had tweaks to make them handle more power.

Thanks....... I almost asked the differance the other day. I don't know which version I have. They were in 1221A stage monitors and only have the part number stamped on the bare motor.

[Old Guy]

Most newer ones are stepped mags. I THINK the C kit fits all, but not sure which parts Bill has.

[Audio_by_Goodwill]

Most newer ones are stepped mags. I THINK the C kit fits all, but not sure which parts Bill has.

Mine are not stepped. I never knew of the step was part of the motor, or simply a cover. Sounds like I have the first 417-8H.

[mah]

Thanks for the replies. I saw this on Oz Ebay.

Altec musical instrument speaker 417-BH 12 inch 100 watt | eBay

Al dome replaced?? Original cone??

I am interested in this one if all-Altec.

[Old Guy]

Marshall, my opinion is that unit was reconed by a local reconer. I do not have my sheets to refer to, but IMHO the cone number is about 10-20 years newer than the speaker frame. Original cone would have carried a 2xxxxx number.

I do think it is a newer Altec cone, but doubt was shipped to US and back.

[Earl K]

Are they very different for guitar amp use?

Hostboard member "417 - Alnico" is very deep down the proverbial rabbit hole ( so to speak ) when relating to these speakers .

If you have the time & inclination , my recollection is that his musings are well worth sifting through .

For the guitarist ( seeking a particular "sound" ), his impressions/speculations of the various permutations & historical developments of the 417 are pretty interesting ( at least to me ! ) .



EDIT : The threads & posts that I was referring to above , seem to have disappeared / so never-mind !

[mah]

The cone number looks to be 035424 4

[Old Guy]

The cone number looks to be 035424 4

Looks like that to me. That would be much newer than a 70's cone. I do not have my sheets to look up numbers, so I'm running on a memory that has holes like Swiss cheese.